Hello, hello hello from Austin m two and cardiac Chris, we are getting settled back into SVD labs, where we are creating a mixology of topics to host and inspiring, interactive, fun and educational discussions. We're all about the education and collaboration, we welcome you to come up to join the conversation and share your thoughts. Tonight's topic we're gonna start talking about, wait for it, the evolution of the Internet, this conversation sounds like you'd go on for days. So we'll start diving in here in a second. How you doing? Mr. Austin?

dmgs. It's always genome and NFT. When? Yeah, I'm excited to get back to the spaces. And thank you for CO hosting these with me. And alongside me, can I stop? It's gonna be very interesting with evolution of internet. And I just want to give a shout out for the SBU Dow for hosting these spaces and providing a platform for us to provide what three education and discussions around it. Yeah, I'm excited to dive into today's topic when it comes to the evolution of internet and how we got to where we are today. And one factor probably predates all of us here, or most of us here. As it started back in the 1960s. So the key What would you have for us and let's get into the let's get into the topic.

Yeah, I was, uh, I was doing a little research on the topic, he sent me over some information I was I was dumbfounded to see how early this started and how it progressed. Just talked on social media, real quick, social bs.io, you can go to and all the information on links are on there that you that you would want to learn about us. All the links to open sea, Discord, YouTube, Twitter, medium, anyone, that's your forte, the links on there, and they'll get to directed right to where you want to go. Yeah, so So as we get into this, what I really enjoyed about it was, you know, not just the history, which we'll start with here in a second. But when I got to certain, certain years, you know, as I'm going through this thing, and dates and stuff, and I'm like, where was I? You know, it's good to put yourself in the situation, right? I was like, Where was I? And what was I doing? And why did I Why was that not aware? And why did I miss out? Right? So you start to start to evaluate where you were at this particular time in your life, and, and why this all seemed so. So, so new, and not new, but so interesting that I was completely unaware of some of the stuff and, and that's really intrigued me?

Absolutely, you know, it's, it's crazy that how much innovation is taking place around us, and we're completely unaware of it sometimes. You know, I found interesting that decentralization was something that was a hyper focus even 40 years ago, when it came to, when it came to with the internet being adopted. So I wanted to get started with just the ground level. So where it began, how it got started, how we got to where we are today, and that's why it's called the evolution of the Internet. You know, I'm 27 years old, I didn't really live through a lot of this stuff. So for me, this is just reading, you know, essentially historical text or third party information. And so for those that have a lot of personal experience with evolution of internet, it'd be great for if you came up and added into the added into the conversation, when there's a time that you feel like you can add value into it. So if you want you can request to speak throughout those times. And then also, before we get into it, retweet the room, there's a button on the bottom right corner that you can press, and that will tweet the space out. Let's give us some more people in here. Let's get the conversation flowing. And then again, just want to give a shout out to the social media University and leading the way with web three world changers and going accomplishing that. Somebody Yeah, Chris. And this is what was a couple of things here. That was crazy to me. And I got on my I got on my list here. ARPANET, the beginning of email, TCP IP addresses. And then 1987, there's a certain back there, that was mind blowing to me. And so just to get started, the internet began in the 1960s. During the Cold War, the US government wanted a way to prevent or were concerned about potential attacks on the US communication systems. And so decided to fund the development of a network of computers to talk to each other. And this was because this became ARPANET, Advanced Research Projects Agency Network. Now, it's crazy how we've advanced pretty far from that right from ARPANET to Internet. What the hell is ARPANET? So 1969 was the first time the ARPANET delivered its first message, and it was from a research lab in UCLA, and to the second in Stanford, essentially, by the end of 1969, just within a couple of months, more computers are connected to ARPANET. So they started to grow, but at the time, I mean, hell, that's a long that's a long way as back as it grew. The network grow steadily throughout the 1970s and started reaching to the East Coast. West Coast in various pockets of the network. And then there's a big breakthrough in computer programming. Ray Tomlinson implements the first email program on the ARPANET system, and introducing the at sign to separate a username and a machine. And so this is still used widely today. And in 1974, was beginning of TCP transmission control protocol. Now this is one that I really loved learning about because this is where it became decentralized. In 1974. People wanted to link together ARPA like networks, and make them an inter network. And this was the birth of the Internet. And what TCP enabled was, there was no central control for these computers to talk to each other. And so it released it from you know, ARPANET, or from control of maybe the military and governments and made it to where the internet was completely controlled by computers of the network. So the computers that were in hosted TCP and connected that way, became a decentralized protocol and communication network. And we can go on to some of the stuff around TCP. That's not really my wheelhouse. But there's one other fact that I wanted to get into, at least right now. And then we can talk over some of your thoughts was the domain naming system. So now we go crazy, we see people that have no Dotty that they're even naming system. And the idea behind that was because we had these long string of numbers and addresses that were essentially really difficult for us to transfer eath or crypto over to each other. And so this began the birthing of Etherium name system. And you have you just send it your name, so often them to buddy or, you know, XYZ body, whatever it is made it easier to transfer our crypto, well, they experience something back in action 84, that was very similar. Whereas if you went to a

website, or you know, when when checking a website, you type in the IP address, and what the DNS did domain naming system, is it creating the domain name for you to go and make it easier to type out an IP address. So same way that we had, we have a long string of numbers with our crypto addresses. And we wanted to make it easier. So we have the Dotty themes. This is something that, you know, history repeating itself, there was the IP addresses and hard to remember, and they didn't really convert easily, and made it into simple names. So I'm going to stop right there before now there's one more one more 1987. There's nearly 30,000 hosts on internet. So that kind of reference to me was like miners. So right now we have, you know, miners that are supporting Aetherium network for supporting the Bitcoin network. And back in 1987, there's only 30,000 hosts, and they kind of just represented my brain I guess, to miners, 30,000 Miners on internet 30,000 hosts on the internet. So it's very small network at the time in 1987. And how much has it grown over the years? It's absolutely insane. But cardiac, Chris, let you take over here, what are some of your thoughts and things you want to add?

So as you go through these things, in like you're explaining right now the 3000 hosts that are kind of like miners, you see similarities between web two and three, but like everybody talks about, it's like, what, what, what, two on steroids, it's, it's more advanced, better technology on but you see how things progressively get built and get better? You know, it blows my mind that we're still, you know, back in. He said, back in 1971. Right, Thompson, you know, with the ARPANET system, he he used the at sign to separate the user name from the name of their machine, which it's crazy, like, we still we still use that, right? It's effective, and it has a purpose. And it's, it's easier to use. And as kind of as you were going through that that's kind of what what you see going on right now in web three. And the same thing that happened in web two was there were these ideas, and these ideas became the creation, right? And, and they became the creation, but they weren't, they were more technical and not not set up for you know, the, the general person to use a daily and easily and, you know, and then idealists come up with the ideas to to create those in a better way, a more usable fashion and easier to understand language. And so you see this whole similarities of what's happening, what's going on kind of puts things into perspective about what's going on right now. Right? When you try to try to explain something to somebody, and you jump right in it and then you realize, you know, whoa, whoa, I need to slow it down a little bit, have a have a little bit more in depth conversation, not use certain terms. And it really puts things in perspective. And it's good to know the history of these things. Like I never even heard a ArtNet. And I started read through this, the way it progressed. You know, the like the art and grow steadily through the 70s but the first thing on the floor Pedrad reading was a, it'd be the internet begins in 1960s. And it began, ARPANET began. But it took him nine years to get to the first message, right? And then, you know, then they had multiple sites, I saw the four sites, you know, in the throughout the 70s. So, you know, it's it's a, it's, it's actually, it's actually just very brings you back down to reality about what's going on right now. And there's a lot of similarities. So if you go through this page, page by page or year by year, you start to notice like, I mean, you can kind of kind of start to see how adoption of the internet happen and how it's gonna relate to adoption of where we're at now. Except it's a whole different ballgame with technology and the progression of it right. So yeah, so let's, let's go ahead and move forward. That was in 1987, where were you in 1987? Mr. Olson reborn yet

no. Believer complete, my mother was graduating fourth grade. So I believe I believe my dad was officially dropped out for the third year in a row, the fourth grade?

It'd be interesting if we had our whole crew on here with Sir Francis and in the geezers to hear hear from them, like were, you know, what they were doing with these years? And did they even? Did they even hear ARPANET? You know, does that mean obviously back then? I mean, we'd be more prone nowadays to to hear about what's going on because of the connectability with everything, and the Internet and other people and news, you know, back then that they didn't have the, the ease of access to all the information. So you would think that this was like, there's only a select handful of people knew about this?

Yeah, well, I mean, what's crazy about it is you had kind of two technologies developing at the same time, which was the development of the computer itself. And the development, just like the hardware, and also the development of the internet, on top of it, were a network with these computers. So there was a lot of limitations at the time when it came to what they can or can't do. And it's crazy to see how much it's progressed, and just slow and steady, and how much it's progressed.

And, you know, what I like to I like to say about the differences between two and three, are in it's in this is in real life, too, right? Like, if, if you and I had 100,000 acres of land, and someone else had 100,000 acres of land, and we had infrastructure, and they didn't, and neither was ever built before we would we would smoke them. And building a community, right, we can get together subcontractors and contractors and throw together houses. I'm not saying it's easy, I'm just saying, we could probably push through that the people that we're up against, that had no infrastructure, they would be dead in the water for cod. And that was how long just to build the infrastructure to be able to build the community, right? Or build the housing. So when you want to look at how things went, That's the hurdles that they had, they have the challenges and hurdles that they had to overcome. And right now, there's infrastructure built, there's, there's the technologies coming, it's here, and it's coming fast, because there's previous knowledge about how how these things function and work, and it's not brand new, you know, back then. And there it was, it was completely brand new. And web three is completely new, but it has often built off a foundation of the One, two. And so that's why when people say, you know, it's gonna come, it's gonna come fast. That's, that's why Right?

Absolutely. Well, you know, really, what we're talking about with the beginning of this was what zero is just just the genesis of the origins of it, and how we got started, how we can conceptualize how it progressed. And then you get into web one. So we've said web three, a couple of times on here, we even have it in the title. But how do we get to web three if we haven't gone through web? One, two. So web one, kickstarted predominantly mainly in 1990, which was the creation of the world wide web. So believe it or not, there was no such thing as www. And this was something I learned the difference between the internet and World Wide Web, I thought they're the same thing. But in reality, the internet is the way that the computers are connected, and communicate with each other using the TCP slash IP Transmission Control Protocol and Internet Protocol to link devices worldwide. Now, the World Wide Web is an application layer built on top of the internet. And so this one World Wide Web uses different programming languages and protocols. But what's interesting about it is that these protocols are all decentralized. And so this is what gave room and gave birth to things in the manner of search engines. So the first content based search protocol came out in 1991. And it was called gopher. Now gopher examined, you know, all sorts of files and index systems on the internet. But it was the first content based search protocol. Also, we got the first webcam in 1991. And start to get the development of different web browsers. But in 1995, is the year that the Internet became commercialized. What that means is that there was there wasn't the ability to securely transfer data from a host or a computer or user over the internet. And so what happened was, is SSL was developed Secure Sockets Layer. And this encryption was developed by Netscape and making it safer for credit card payments online. So what was cool about this is this gave room for E commerce, this game room for people to securely and safely pay for things over the internet, which at the time was an I was actually probably just a couple of months old at this time. So this is completely for me, looking at it from historical context, and just reading and researching. So those that were around during this time, and using internet requests to speak, but 9095 gave the ability for E commerce to come about and people were terrified, from what I hear to put their card on internet, it was not something that we're willing to do, like, Are you crazy, I'm not going to put my card on the internet. So we're going to steal it. And so this gave room for some of the options for E commerce to start out. And the first ever item sold on eBay. What was it cardiac? Chris, what do you think?

I read the things I know.

You do. Right? So so suddenly, those listening, send me a direct message of your guests with the first item ever sold on eBay? Don't cheat, don't go and google or do any of that. Send a DM what your guess was to be the first item ever sold on eBay?

The Oh, no, go ahead.

I'll just as I get through this, just want to go through web one, that you have all these companies Amazon, eBay, Netscape, mosaic, Gopher, Google, you have all these companies, Wikipedia. And Wikipedia was one of the largest social experiments in the history of the world. And what's crazy about it is how people came together. And they call it the democratization of information. But all this is web one. And what was really fascinating about web one and gave it for hyper growth was the ability that as a company, or as an entrepreneur, you had the security of knowing that if you build something on top of the HTTP, or the World Wide Web, you build something on top of that protocol, it won't be able to be disrupted because there's a completely decentralized technology. So Google had the comfortability, that they can go and spend $100 million, or $10 million they can spend, even if it was just personal sacrifices, spending your life work, you know, five years, 10 years of their time to build a product or service, they were building on a decentralized protocol that nobody can turn it off. So they knew that they had the security that they spent their time or their money to build something, they knew they had to security that it couldn't be turned off, or there wasn't a central authority to dictate the permissions around it. And that's why when one was really powerful, is it gave room for, you know, the even like in Wikipedias case, that democracy and democratization of information. So this really decentralized communication, it decentralized the ability of products and services that could be built. And then you get into web two, before getting into web two, and wanted to pause there and see if he had any comments on there. And then if anybody wants to come up in the comment, anything with what one?

The so there are a couple of keywords you said, and I want to reiterate what Austin just said, I have I challenge people to come up and tell me that I use I use Netscape. I remember, you know, first hearing about it, and people telling me to use it, it's, it's where to go. And and then, you know, as I flip through this, they also mentioned AOL, and we always talk about this and have this discussion about, you know, the first step doesn't always win, right. So, you know, these companies, you know, somebody I took, you know, somebody gave me their, I think it was an AOL email or some some crazy email, or Hotmail, or something like that the other day, and I was like, when was last time I heard of a Hotmail? I think that's what it was. It's just, you know, they weren't the winners. But there's three, three words that you you kept on mentioning there. And it kind of like what I was talking about earlier. With the progression of, of what zero to web one, web two and how it all relates into web three, safety, security and protocols. You said that a couple of times, and when you look at those words, those are all strong words. And if you ask people back then what Protocol was the BS, I don't know, dumbfounded not sure how to go research it. And in to me that word protocols and changeable was with words like smart contract. And, you know, tokenomics and things like that nowadays, you know, it's it's, you know, once you see the big jumps in these technologies and things that happened throughout throughout this timeline that we're going through, when you have the masses of people that are feel safe and secure, right? So if ever you came up to tell us about your, your experience, what you want to talk about,

oh, hi, everybody, I always love when people are talking about education, I teach at UCLA, and I am going to be launching one of the first NFT classes anywhere on a college campus that I'm aware of, I know there's blockchain courses going on. So on August 30, we'll be doing a one and a half hour webinar through UCLA Extension. But I love what you guys were talking about, because it's exactly the kinds of things that I'll be talking about in the class about web one, two, and three in this kind of evolution. I'm also writing a book called from PCs to NF Ts, and it's gonna trace that arc that you're talking about right now that starts you know, long before P PCs even. But anyway, I just thought I'd chime in and just, it just really gives you, you know, props for talking about the education part of this. If we don't, if we don't educate the users, the public, the decision makers, then the scammers and the hackers will win. Because that's what this will become, it'll just be a big mess. You know, if we can educate people and stay focused on the business aspects and on the Creativity and on the freedom that is potential in blockchain and web three, I think things will be very different. So I just really applaud you for doing what you're doing. I just thought I'd chime in. Thanks.

Thank you. Sure. So yeah, so what you said, then that's I'll plug us a little bit the SBU SBU down social BS University, that's, we call ourselves university because that's what we're all about. We don't we don't get on here and, you know, push people to go, go buy things and do things. We were running to 24/7 spaces to invite people to come up and ask questions and learn. And not to say that, you know, we're all geniuses, but we have a large community, that we can get you to resource people to resources that know about any topic that that someone may have. But you've been you hosted in the space. That's amazing. And I have a question. So I'm in my mid mid to late 40s. And, you know, as I go through this timeline, I see a lot of things that I missed that I wasn't paying attention to because I was a kid. But it's whenever I talk to teachers, I always I always ask them this because I my ex wife was a part of university. And I don't know if that UCLA but they would get that kind of the high school teachers, I think get it too they get the free, like pat of like, all the things that you don't need to reference anymore, because the kids won't understand what you're making the connection to, because they weren't even they weren't even born then. And yeah, I look through this timeline, I think about it, even Austin and my co hosts, it's on here with me. He's an amazing young man. But you know, he didn't, you know, he got to a certain point where he says, like, I read that in the history books, or this is a history lesson to me. And it's a it's it's crazy. It blows my mind how, how, later on how quickly things started to move. And as we get into the web three space, how, like, we were just speaking about before about how the infrastructure is already there. They're not building from ground zero. So how hyperfast it's going to be, you know, over the next couple of years.

Well, you're absolutely right. And, and I'm even in a different demographic than you. You know, I was there at the launch of the PC in 1981, when IBM announced their PC, that's before the Macs and that didn't come out until 1984. I was a COBOL programmer early in my life, and nobody, hardly anybody even knows what COBOL was. But it's the IBM mainframe language that still runs today still runs all the banks and insurance companies all around the world and governments today, pretty much, and what you know, I had the ability to be kind of at the forefront of a lot of these different innovations. I was there at the PC, I was there through the connected PCs, then into the.com era, then into social media. In 2011. I wrote a book called The Power of real time social media marketing, which is still available on Amazon and it was written really as a textbook for, you know, social media because nobody really knew what that was about. But there's a lot of themes that keep reoccurring, you know, and you see kind of early adopters, you see a lot of money get thrown thrown at something. You see a lot of evangelists, you see a lot of crazy stuff that you just scratch your head and go what are they thinking and then Things begin to kind of simmer down and the real use cases emerge. And so and then the other thing that emerges is I, it's funny, you mentioned Hotmail earlier, Hotmail was the killer app for, you know, network PCs. I mean, that was, that was the bomb. That was 1996. Okay. And that was amazing. Because that meant that you did not have to go to your office, in order to get your email that you could, if you had a personal computer at home, you could actually get email on your personal computer. So you know, things are, and where we are. Now, we might look back and say, Oh, my gosh, can you believe that people were buying, you know, certain NF Ts, or that are how primitive smart contracts might seem. I mean, they seem very advanced to those who know about them. But we might look back and say that, that was like baby stuff, you know. So things, history does repeat itself, even in technology. And even if it's very fast moving.

And you bring in you mentioned COBOL, and how the banks and a lot of governments and people is still embedded in what they do. That kind of that kind of shows you, you know, the bigger you are, the slower you move, right. So, you know, they have the secondaries, and third and fourth, fifth layers that they're working on that have all the other it's kind of like the left three layers, right, you know,

totally like that. But you're absolutely right. It shows you how entrenched you can become. But it also shows you how powerful cobalt was, because it still keeps all this stuff moving. I mean, let's face it, it's kind of like people go, Oh, you know, Bitcoin, I'm not necessarily to derail this cryptocurrency, but people kind of argue about what's the value of Bitcoin? The fact of the matter is right now let's face it, Bitcoin has not been hacked. I mean, people have lost their Bitcoins, they've lost their wallets. The the network itself has not been hacked. And it's been in effect since 2008. Now, that's pretty darn good. When you think about the it's withstood quite a bit, right. And Aetherium is getting its own kind of longevity also. So yes, it can become entrenched. But as you were saying earlier, H HTML is really powerful. And HTTP was really powerful. And that's why it's not going anywhere, anytime soon. You know, just like, just like, COBOL, it's not going anywhere, anytime soon. Well, maybe that I mean, and and yes, a lot is built on top of that. And clearly, the innovation is important. But it's just interesting to kind of zoom out a little bit and take a look at this from a timeline perspective. You know,

you brought up real quick, I'm gonna let awesome talking once I just want to say one thing on top of what Beverly was saying, and he brought up a good point, and why education and getting the information out to people is, is it can get them educated, very important, because Bitcoin in these networks can be safe, haven't been hacked. But it gets when people people have been hacked, and it gets misinterpreted and when it gets passed along, as bitcoins unsafe, or this is unsafe. And, and it's not, it's not the network, it's the people and the scammers, like you said, when you came up, Austin, would you have say,

Oh, I'm loving, everybody, thanks for coming up here and sharing your knowledge and wisdom and, and helping educate ourselves myself in the audience. I do have a couple of questions for you. And we will get into, you know, where crypto fits in, in this evolution of internet. We're just kickstarted. So we're going to be transitioning to web chat here in a second. But I want to ask to derail the conversation a little bit. What are some of the struggles that you experienced throughout the adoption of internet from the 80s? The 90s? And do you see any correlations to those same struggles or pain points to what three right now?

Well, I mean, you can just just start with this. I mean, people would say things like, Why in the world? Would you want to have a computer in your house? That is the craziest thing I've ever heard now at the time, computers took up a whole floor, you could not have, you could not compute, okay, the power of your cell phone is like, you know, hundreds of computers of the old days, because the memory and everything else was so low. And so a computer was giant, and people would think why would I have a computer in my home? That's crazy. So that's number one. And then people would say, Oh, you can play games on it. And they'd be like, what? That's that. Why, why in the world would I do that? Don't we hear that now? Why would I buy a JPEG? That's crazy. Okay, we're hearing you know what I mean? Then you get to in web one. Also, it was like, Oh, you'll be able to like download photographs and play video. Well, that video was still on cassettes. So nobody could imagine we couldn't even think of what it would look like to put video in a phone or on a computer. And I remember the first time we downloaded a photograph in 1995 Because I had all this stuff because I'm a geek, and it took two minutes. To download a photograph, it went line by line because the modem was so slow. So, you know, people just said, nobody's ever going to do this, you know, it's just going to be for geeks like you, not the real people. And there used to be a saying that when your grandmother gets it, or your mother gets it, then you know that it's ubiquitous. So when grandma was able to email, that was the big deal, when grandma was able to get a photograph and download it and not have to wait two minutes. That meant consumer adoption is here, as Steve Jobs used to talk about that and say that, you know, if, when people can actually do it easily, the people you wouldn't expect, then we know we've hit the tipping point of adoption. So anyway, I'll let you guys go. I support you so much for all the education you're doing. And, you know, I'm a resource. I'm out there. I'm writing this book, I'm interested in anybody who wants to chat with me about their experience or their insights. I'm, there'll be case studies in the book. There'll be Jenkins valet and Time Magazine timepieces and a bunch of really cool stuff. So we're just, you know, just putting myself out there and letting everybody know. So thanks for the time, guys really appreciate it.

Absolutely. Thanks for coming up and adding value and sharing and educating. And also, I followed you, and I'm gonna send you a direct message, because there's some cool things I think we can collaborate on and look forward to the book as well.

Sounds good. I'm gonna pop down now so you guys can continue on, but I'm gonna keep listening. So thanks so much.

Well, feel free to pop back up because we're going to be talking about the transition from web one to web two for a little bit here. And you since you wrote a book on it already, you probably have a lot of information on this. So feel free to pop that up.